If Canonical acquired PCLinuxOS…

Today I managed to help a friend in getting his iPod to work with Amarok in PCLinuxOS using this guide. We were successful and he’s happily using Amarok to manage his music as well as his iPod. At the end of all I was left satisfied and suddenly something really random hit me. It just hit me, seriously. What if PCLinuxOS was taken over by Canonical? Now I assume you are ready to skip the rest of the post and start flaming me already. Go on, but what good would it do? What is the fool talking about you’d say, wouldn’t you?

PCLinuxOS is an excellent distribution. What has proved to be the difference in making it my recommended distro for newbies or users coming from other operating systems is the fact that it runs fine on laptops as well. I’ve tried openSUSE, Mandriva and Kubuntu on my friend’s laptop and openSUSE worked but was overwhelming, Mandriva worked but it wasn’t as up to date as I’d have liked it, but more importantly both distros had slow package management. Kubuntu didn’t detect the sound and wi-fi for some reason from what I was told.

Now, PCLinuxOS depends a lot on donations but still manages to do a fantastic job with its wonderful developer team of Texstar and the Ripper Gang. I have had the opportunity to speak to devnet, one of the lead developers, once on IRC and they are indeed a very friendly community. Texstar has stated in the past that he has tried Debian and other distros before but ultimately decided to use Mandriva as a base. While that in my opinion has proved to be great, I want to try and analyze what would happen if Canonical backed this distro.

The first step would be attempting to work under the banner of Ubuntu. If at all that is accomplished then it would be interesting. It would primarily benefit Kubuntu, which at the moment is under Jonathan Riddell who I must say once again as I did in the previous post, is doing a fantastic job with the distro. Kubuntu would be backed by a hard working development team that would be well-suited to the system of long term releases as well as they do a wonderful job in ensuring stability. The new six-month cycle would, the way I’d see it, be a new challenge to take up. There would be the problem of shifting these developers to another base, from Mandriva to Debian. Would it be welcomed? I do not know.

What would it bring to Kubuntu as a distribution in terms of features? A few more thinking caps? Certainly. Quicker implementation of features that are there in Ubuntu and other distros? Yes. I even think Kubuntu’s artwork could be taken to another level and be made a lot more appealing than it already is. Attention to detail is something the PCLOS developers are good at, and we’d see some splash screens for applications somewhere along the lines of openSUSE as well. I’m sure that can always be done but the fact is that it hasn’t been done. Riddell has earlier stated that Kubuntu makes use of KDE software only. Now with the current potential of KDE 4 yet to be utilized since KOffice, Amarok2, the PIM and other applications for KDE 4 aren’t completely updated yet, it will be interesting to see how KDE 4 further improves usability for such applications.

This deal would not benefit PCLinuxOS as an independent brand. That is one thing that needs to be made clear. You don’t bring a big fish out of the water and put it in a small fish bowl. However, you can set a small fish free into the ocean. That means that PCLinuxOS would have to come to Ubuntu and not the other way around. If Canonical wants the future of Kubuntu to be in very strong hands this

This would also be the “easy way out”. If Canonical were to consider this, it would in some peoples’ perspective, make them look a little ‘anxious’ as well. I don’t think they have learned their lesson yet though, have they? PCLinuxOS took Ubuntu by the storm and overtook Ubuntu on Distrowatch (which I believe does hold a decent stand when in deciding who uses what) at one point of time. That ‘period’ involved using the KDE version of PCLinuxOS which thus increased the usage of KDE indirectly as well. KDE was a hit so why does Kubuntu still have one lead developer? I have not written this to merely ask for an increase in the number of Kubuntu developers.

Its strange that I haven’t mentioned that dissolving PCLinuxOS would be something they would have to do in order to clinch the deal. The PCLinuxOS developers would gain experience working with a larger user base and we know Ubuntu is good in providing commercial support as well when needed so I see it as a positive for the PCLOS developers as well. It paints a pretty picture in the minds of the neutrals I must say. The unifying force would have to be open-source and that alone will keep the project together. But what is Linux and the spirit of open-source? One big community working hard together. If the two parties were to by chances see this idea the way I do, then there would probably be something to consider. Trolltech came along one day to pick up KDE, providing complete backing and helping to turn KDE into what it is today. With things looking promising with the Nokia deal and Qt 4.4, lets stand up for a new distribution revolution, shall we?

Disclaimer: I am simply fantasizing about such a takeover and it would indeed be wonderful if it actually worked out. I do not know how Canonical and PCLOS would be able to settle it, but if done, it would be another step in the right direction, to bigger and greater things… in Linux. Sometimes, a takeover isn’t about money, its about sharing a vision.

Update: At this point of time I would like to say that I did not mean to be controversial or anything like at times some bloggers do to attract attention. I merely wished to share an idea (even admitting that I am fantasizing) and gauge your opinion on it. That said, I would like to raise my hat to those who read or commented on this post because I did realize I said “bought” and this could have been interpreted in an inflammatory way, so I wish to just keep it clearer by saying “acquired.” I know that this would indeed lead to one of the distributions losing its identity and I also wish to emphasize again that I have a lot of respect for the PCLinuxOS community and I do not consider it a minority. What I did not mention before is that I do dislike Ubuntu and I do not like that Canonical hasn’t given Kubuntu the support it needs and have hinted it in my previous post as well.

I share the sentiments of the users who have commented when they imply that Canonical needs to take a good look at itself and lend a hand to Kubuntu. I realize that you do not need to have major backing to be successful. PCLinuxOS is doing a wonderful job I must say again. This post simply suggested uniting two parties however it would mean making a sacrifice. It also shows that PCLinuxOS deserves to have the backing of a powerful company to give it a financial advantage that would indeed take it to the next level. It deserves better marketing and so does Mint as has been rightly pointed out in the first comment below.

On the subject of the base of both distributions (Debian or Mandriva) and considering a question of merging them I’d like to say that I would not be able to decide which. Neither would any of you users. That is why I clearly said that for this deal to go through if it was even considered by both parties, it would need to be agreed upon by both parties. Finally to the user who said that Distrowatch numbers aren’t indicative of a distribution’s popularity. It is true to a good extent and I do not wish to take a side about its validity because that isn’t the point of this post. However judging by the response to this post, I would have to point out that there have been more PCLinuxOS users than (K)Ubuntu users who have had a say about this idea.

That said, I would just like to wish both distributions the very best for the future and I hope they manage to satisfy their respective user-bases.

~ by SoftVision on February 16, 2008.

14 Responses to “If Canonical acquired PCLinuxOS…”

  1. Canonical buying PCLinuxOS is an interesting idea, but I would see it more as a Microsoft move–trying to shutdown heavy competition in the desktop market.

    Canonical has a lot of work ahead of it. PCLinuxOS is dominating the home Linux market right now, and Mint is a distro that surpasses Ubuntu and its derivatives. It just needs better marketing.

    There are better distributions out there than K/X/Ubuntu, but they don’t receive the same marketing because Ubuntu has corporate financial backing.

    Canonical’s been pushing the server releases of Ubuntu, too, but the only thing I see there is miserable failure. It will succeed with small businesses (and maybe medium-sized) where a true Linux guy can’t be added to payroll, but I see it failing in the large business and corporate markets.

    There’s a lot of work to do. I really hope they don’t buy any other distribution developers. It’s desperate and it kills competition.

  2. Looks like nonsense to me.

  3. PCLinuxOS users typically don’t like Ubuntu/Kubuntu or any other *buntu. PCLinuxOS’s approach is anit-Ubuntu. With Ubuntu, doing things often means command line work or hacking a file somewhere. With PCLinuxOS, they used the best tools for the job - graphical ones. It’s a combination of all that’s good about Linux from various distros, but one of the major highlights is the control center, which is a modified version of the Mandriva Control Center. It’s a much better approach, in our (the user base) opinion.

    Also, PCLinuxOS doesn’t try to hide the distro’s power, unlike Ubuntu. The root account is active by default, and there is sudo, but most of us hate it and don’t activate it. We also appreciate the quality of the testing of the packages, the fact that it’s a rolling release distro, and that it’s ready when Texstar and “the gang” are finished with it. We don’t like being Guinea Pigs. All of this is in stark contrast to the way Canonical does things.

    In the end, I would say that Canonical’s ownership of PCLinuxOS would drive the user base away.

  4. I would actually think its would a good idea to increase the KDE support in Ubuntu.

    However, we would prefer to leave the pclinuxOS fancrowd behind.
    Ubuntu fanboys are annoying, but PCLInuxOs fanboys should be shot on sight. The amount of jealously and just the general we-are-insecure-because-more-people-are-using-ubuntu-and-that-must-mean-our-dicks-are-smaller mentality.

    PCLinuxOS has better configuration, this is true.
    But Ubuntu is used by adults not just kids.
    Secondly, PCLinuxOS didn’t develop those configuration tools. It’s all Mandrive with more up to date packages.

    So, allthough I think its smart to bring pro-KDE people into Ubuntu to work on Kubuntu, I doubt the PCLinuxOS developers are _that_ special. They should rather go directly for Mandriva.

    On the other hand, the same thing could be said of Ubuntu. They too use Debian as their foundation and just tweak a little and use more up-to-date packages.

    All in all, i would say NO. The point of PCLinuxOS is that they are not Ubuntu users. We would would like to keep it like that. Everbody is welcome. But the PCLinux fanbase would just make Ubuntu’s reputation even worse. It’s like they breed trolls.

    It’s one thing to have the noobs. But please keep the trolls out. I think i would run if when the pclinuxOS crowd moves to Ubuntu. You can’t expect human beings to deal with them. You just can’t. They have way too much of an attitude problem.

    Don’t see this as hate. We all have this fase in our life (it’s called puberty), but this many concentrated on one distro. Basing their identity on it? It’s not sane, it’s not healthy.

  5. Imo Mepis/Woodford would be a much better choice if Canonical wanted to buy a user-friendly KDE distribution. Like the ‘buntus, Mepis is also based on Debian.

  6. I think PCLinuxOS is good as it is, and I really don’t want Ubuntu ruining what great work has already been done.
    As a matter of fact, I think ubuntu might be getting ready for a downswing. PCLinuxOS and DreamLinux are moving up, and I think honestly that they are the future of where Linux will head. And that’s a good thing, as both of these distros are VERY marketable to the masses of Windows user, due to them being easily configured, almost entirely GUI based, and very well supported.

  7. I think quite a few people are being misled about the DistroWatch numbers and they really shouldn’t be since this topic has been discussed many, many times.. These numbers reflect page views and nothing more. When I visit DistroWatch, it’s normally to take a look at competing distros. I can’t remember the last time I clicked on anything Ubuntu related because I know so much about it.

    Other *serious* studies and polls show that Ubuntu is number one at home and competing on the server side. Here’s one sample link (among many more):
    http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/021108-red-hat-ubuntu-top-vendors.html

    I like PCLinuxOS but I also like the philosophy of DSL and PuppyLinux (since I love getting my hardware to deliver the speeds it brags about). So this is a question of philisophies and from the little I understand about PCLinuxOS, I’m not sure that their philosophies are congruent with those of Ubuntu.

    Anyway… I don’t think you need to have major backing to be successful (though a part of me would like to see less distros so that more users would help in support of the community, more users per distro). Take a look at gOS - they basically came out of nowhere and had machines selling retail. Or Eeepc’s user-friendly Interface being a large part of the success of these hot machines.

    PCLinuxOS is a great looking distro - no question about it; but it doesn’t really add anything new to Linux in general. It basically builds on common UI elements with a very slick theme. It doesn’t promise to run 10x faster… it doesn’t promise full compatibility with the latest and greatest Dell Machine Number XX or HP’s Machine Number YY.

    Many years ago I read about a machine compatibility list - where current models (thousands) were tested against various OSes to insure full compatibility (because many times… individual parts, mixed a certain way caused problems). I think we still need to see a list like this generated for a specific Distro. It’s something like this that helps set a distro apart.

    I’d like to see PCLinxOS focus more on machine/system compatibility, improved speeds, or something that adds additional value to the OS. I’m not knocking your suggestion, it’s a good one if these two groups could work together but chances are one of them would lose their identity.

    It would be nice, one of these days… to take a look at a great laptop with gigs of memory, built-in wireless, camera, tons of different ports and know that Distro XYZ has been tested on it and will install perfectly with 100% compatibility - no problems. The time for comparisons to other OSes should be over. It’s time to get these OSes on machines, deliver CDs, provide complete and transparent upgrades over the Internet (like Zonbu[sic] has been doing, for example). No more techy names like ISOs, boot sector, filesystem XYZ…

    The OSes are ready but most distro makers aren’t ready to make the push into consumer support and distribution. This is the biggest failing.

  8. I think it’s much more likely that PCLinuxOS will drop Mandriva and base itself on Ubuntu. With Mint out there Ubuntu has no need for PCLinuxOS.

  9. You must be drunk :-)

    Ubuntu is based on Debian

    PCLOS is based on Mandriva?

    If Ubuntu buys PCLOS,
    then Ubuntu is will be base on Mandriva and/or Debian….
    then Kubuntu will be KPCbuntu ….
    then … whatever !

    Maybe if you write something like “If Canonical bought PCLinuxOS…”, you may sound more correct :-)

  10. Currently on my Dell xps 1330 I have PCLinuxOS’s Minime installed and tricked out…however, I cannot get a wifi connection, but have the mics, the full resolution, audio and compiz-fusion working.
    Trying Kubuntu 7.04, again as a livecd. I haven’t used kubuntu since two years ago, I see a lot of improvement in looks I have wifi just fine, and audio, but compiz refuses to run blaming the intel video. Oh yes, I have to add so much to make videos and sound files to work.
    Even Dreamlinux, has wifi, and even better looking than kubuntu. Compiz is already installed and enabled so easily…but no sound!!
    Fedora 8, again as livecd, enables everything, but it is configured like knoppix all the apps and tools, but no easy way through all the menus! And knoppix has better looking wallpaper!

    Do I quadriple-boot to show off Linux?!

    Nah, I still like PCLOS and its look, speed, and completeness, and will just stay close to the wire.

    God Bless
    revdjenk

  11. Someone said something about Ubuntu servers gaining share. IMO, they’re only gaining share in the low budget sectors. For mission-critical deployments in medium and large business, I don’t think Ubuntu stands a chance. It’s too fundamentally different. It was designed with a different idea in mind than what people need for a server. Server’s don’t need Linux for human beings; they need Linux for servers.

    I’m not really anti-Ubuntu. I think what Canonical is trying to do is great. I just personally find there are too many annoying things about it for me.

    That said, that’s been true for SuSE, Fedora, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Mepis, and Freespire.

    The only distros I’ve ever really liked and had almost no complaints about are: Slackware, DSL, Puppy, Zenwalk, and Backtrack.

    Everyone is different. I’ve known a lot of people from a lot of camps, and most of them are pretty civil. Most of them are glad that we’re all ultimately working toward the same general goal.

    I don’t know why all of that petty arguing and crying about “We hate X distro” and “We hate Y distro” was happening. Here’s a news flash: you don’t speak for the entire community. Stop saying “we” and start saying “I.”

    All of that said, it’s all personal opinion and preference. Everyone feels differently about different things. Please stop discouraging people from using a distro (unless it’s no longer supported). Instead, encourage them to try many things and find what works for them.

  12. @Meneer R

    Those are strong words from your part. As a PCLinuxOS user, I do take offense to what you are saying. Yet, I don’t think that all Ubuntu users are as rude as yourself, nor do I paint them all that way just because I run into people like you from time to time. I think it is rather immature on your part to catalog a whole user base as fanboys just because you have ran into some that are at one point or another. Any way, think about it.

  13. I doubt there would be a merger of PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu simply because many PCLinuxOS users are former Ubuntu users who switched to PCLinuxOS for various reasons. PCLinuxOS is also ran by adults not just kids. Most PCLinuxOS users are in the 30+ and up crowd with the oldest known user clocked in at 81 years young. Anyway a fun whatif topic huh?

  14. “I would actually think its would a good idea to increase the KDE support in Ubuntu.

    However, we would prefer to leave the pclinuxOS fancrowd behind.
    Ubuntu fanboys are annoying, but PCLInuxOs fanboys should be shot on sight. The amount of jealously and just the general we-are-insecure-because-more-people-are-using-ubuntu-and-that-must-mean-our-dicks-are-smaller mentality.

    PCLinuxOS has better configuration, this is true.
    But Ubuntu is used by adults not just kids.
    Secondly, PCLinuxOS didn’t develop those configuration tools. It’s all Mandrive with more up to date packages.

    So, allthough I think its smart to bring pro-KDE people into Ubuntu to work on Kubuntu, I doubt the PCLinuxOS developers are _that_ special. They should rather go directly for Mandriva.

    On the other hand, the same thing could be said of Ubuntu. They too use Debian as their foundation and just tweak a little and use more up-to-date packages.

    All in all, i would say NO. The point of PCLinuxOS is that they are not Ubuntu users. We would would like to keep it like that. Everbody is welcome. But the PCLinux fanbase would just make Ubuntu’s reputation even worse. It’s like they breed trolls.

    It’s one thing to have the noobs. But please keep the trolls out. I think i would run if when the pclinuxOS crowd moves to Ubuntu. You can’t expect human beings to deal with them. You just can’t. They have way too much of an attitude problem.

    Don’t see this as hate. We all have this fase in our life (it’s called puberty), but this many concentrated on one distro. Basing their identity on it? It’s not sane, it’s not healthy.

    Meneer R said this on February 17, 2008 at 3:52 am”

    Don’t see this as hate? You do realise you’re coming across just as bad as those you claim to be talking about, don’t you? I’ve used both distros, and many others, and after dealing with some of the absolute twats on the Ubuntu forums, and on the PCLKOS forums, you have nothing to brag about. Both have their good and not so good points, but t least with PCLOS one doesn’t need to reinstall every 6 months, or risk everything with an upgrade built on an unstable OS.

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